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#: 14412 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
21-May-88 18:00:05
Sb: #vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Betty Knight 76703,4037 (X)
Dear Betty,
I got VIDTEX 4.2. It seems awfully slow when printing out; it pauses a
couple of seconds between each line. (By way of comparison Common Sense
zips right along.) Am I doing something wrong? Or is there way around
this problem? I'm using a Star NX-10 with a Super Graphix jr interface
set to 1525 emulation. (This is the same setting that I use with Common
Sense and all my other programs, and it's always been quite fast.)
Ken
#: 14420 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
21-May-88 23:22:21
Sb: #14412-#vidtex printing
Fm: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051
To: Ken Gurin 73407,2541 (X)
Ken:
I don't remember the exact commands, but here's my suggestion.
If you're in the middle of reading messages, don't use the command
that turns on the printer. Instead, open up the buffer and save the
messages to memory. When you've finished reading messages (or help
files), close the buffer. Then do one of two things: either print out
the buffer or save it to disk. Printing from memory will be much
faster. You could even log off, first, so you're not paying for
on-line time while you're printing.
ToddH
#: 14421 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
22-May-88 01:55:45
Sb: #14420-#vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051 (X)
I WAS printing from memory (meta P); that's what makes it so
unbelievable. Would you believe aprox. 4 second pauses BETWEEN printing
lines? Even lines that are totally blank; that is to say, 4 seconds to
do a line feed. All of this is off line.
Any idea what's going on?
Ken
#: 14427 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
22-May-88 16:20:54
Sb: #14421-#vidtex printing
Fm: Steve Nye/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ken Gurin 73407,2541 (X)
Ken,
I too noticed there was a long pause between lines when printing
from Vidtex. I eventually went to using a SEQ print program offline to
print the buffer file from disk, then eventually stopped using Vidtex
in preference to other programs. But I never did find out what caused
the delay. Just thought you might like to know it is NOT your
equipment.
SteveN
#: 14431 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
22-May-88 21:20:49
Sb: #14427-#vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Steve Nye/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Steve,
Thanks for the reassurance about my equipment. That's always good to
hear. Just out of curiousity, what are those other programs that you
started to use?
Ken
#: 14435 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
23-May-88 18:06:39
Sb: #14431-#vidtex printing
Fm: Steve Nye/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ken Gurin 73407,2541 (X)
Ken,
I started using Sprint.img from DL1 to do the printing (Betty
mentioned that one in her answer to you) and CBTERM for a terminal
emulator. I got tired of confusing two command sets...one for
CompuServe and one for everywhere else. And I didn't think the few
seconds difference in download times worth worrying about. Of course,
CBTERM will not do autolog scripts, but I never used them anyway.
SteveN
#: 14486 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
26-May-88 15:17:08
Sb: #14435-vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Steve Nye/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Steve,
Thanks for the info. Every little bit helps when you're new and still
learning.
Ken
#: 14425 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
22-May-88 13:23:12
Sb: #14412-#vidtex printing
Fm: Sysop/Betty Knight 76703,4037
To: Ken Gurin 73407,2541 (X)
Dear Ken,
It's been almost two years since I have heard anything about the
VIDTEX4.2 "slow" printing problem. At that time it was a known "bug"
with VIDTEX4.2 in certain circumstances and I'm sorry to say it has
never been corrected. I use a 1670 Modem with VIDTEX4.2 and I have
never had this problem that others have written about.
At one time there was a theory that it was because of the ASCII to
PETASCII conversion at printing time. If you save your buffer with
META-S (save CBM file) then you should reload your buffer from this
saved file with META-L (load CBM file). If you save your buffer with
META-U (unedited save or an ASCII save) and then reload your buffer
using META-K (load ASCII file), there will be a translation from ASCII
to PETASCII while you are printing. If you DOWnload a text file instead
of REAding it to your buffer with VIDTEX4.2, then to reload it into
your buffer for printing with VIDTEX4.2 you should use META-L for
loading a CBM file. I would suggest saving your buffers with META-S
and then reloading them to the buffer with META-L (all CBM files).
Then some Members claimed if you remove your Modem the problem
would go away. I just do not have any official solutions. I download
text files or save with META-S and then use an old but fast SEQuential
printing program that is in CBMART's LIB 1 named: SPRINT.IMG. Also
in LIB 1 there is a program that will translate ASCII to PETASCII to
ASCII named: FILCON.IMG.
Ken, I hope some of this may offer a solution and also hope some
of our Members will remember this "slow" printing and answer you.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Take care.
Sincerely,
Sysop/Betty Knight
#: 14430 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
22-May-88 20:52:54
Sb: #14425-vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Sysop/Betty Knight 76703,4037 (X)
Dear Betty,
Thanks for the detailed response.
Nothing I tried seemed to make a difference, though I didn't try
removing the modem. I have the new version of the 1670 and a 1764
hanging off the back. Neither of these should make a difference though,
since neither of them was around two years ago when you said you last
heard about the bug. I doubt that it's a conversion problem, because
the same 4 second pause exists between blank lines (between each single
line feed). Also this 4 second delay isn't peculiar to the printing; if
from the menu I press "J" (no quotes) it takes 4 seconds for the prompt
to appear. On the other hand if I press Meta J from the regular screen,
the prompt appears immediatedly. There are many other similar
situations where this 4 second delay occurs, so I'm skeptical of the
ASCII translation theory.
I've decided that I'm going to write an autlog file to do automatic B
protocol downloads, and use VIDTEX just for that; VIDTEX does that
beutifully. B protocol is already faster and should be even better with
the new version that Earle Robinson mentioned in the Practice forum. He
said it would be able to continue where it left off, if your
transmission were interupted. That's important to me, because I get a
lot of that with my node. And I'll use Bob's for the rest.
Ken
PS. I was just wondering today what would be the most convenient way
(NOT in a communication setting) of translating regular ASCII to
PETASCII; FILCON.IMG is just the answer I was looking for. Thanks.
#: 14649 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
07-Jun-88 23:33:29
Sb: #14425-#vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Sysop/Betty Knight 76703,4037 (X)
Dear Betty,
I thought that you might be interested in an experiment that I did
today: I tried running my Vidtex 4.2 program without the modem like you
said some other people had done; sure enough the printing delays went
away. Also all of the non-printing 4 second delays that I referred to
went away. Another difference was the absence of a mysterious
superfluous "&" (no quotes) that always appeared immediately after the
initial title screen came on when using the modem.
Of course Vidtex 4.2 isn't very useful without the modem, but maybe
this information will give some clues as to the nature of the problem.
As I mentioned before, I have the NEW version of the 1670. Apparently
the new version of the 1670 shares some charteristics with those other
modems.
Ken
#: 14655 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
08-Jun-88 07:00:34
Sb: #14649-vidtex printing
Fm: Sysop/Betty Knight 76703,4037
To: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
Dear Ken,
Thank you for your experiments with VIDTEX4.2 and the "slow
printing" problem. I was very interested in your findings. I am going
to upload to CBMART's LIBrary one a transcript of the three messages on
this problem so we will have it available if there are other questions.
I will name it: VIDPRT.THD.
Thanks again and take care.
Sincerely,
Sysop/Betty Knight
#: 14850 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
27-Jun-88 22:19:45
Sb: #14655-vidtex printing
Fm: Ken Gurin 73407,2541
To: Sysop/Betty Knight 76703,4037 (X)
Betty,
Thanks to a message posted by Jim Kuratomi in CBMCOM, I was able to
solve my slow printing problems. The solution was to turn off the flow
control in the receiving direction. (Meta Q,3,N,<CR>,<CR>). This also
eliminated all the non-printing delays too. Thought you might like to
hear about this.
Ken